fahye: ([avatar] papa love your princess)
Fahye ([personal profile] fahye) wrote2007-04-06 09:25 pm
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call for meta/music

Don't spend your life conceiving
that the widows won't get sick of their grieving
'til everyone walks out.
Hey, isn't that what rock 'n' roll is all about, Princess?
Confess your bloated self, willful and indignant,
in the face of somebody's lord.


RIGHT. This is a quick-and-dirty plea for commentary (doesn't have to be anything more than surface impressions, but if you want to go deeper, go for it!) relating to one Azula of the Fire Nation, because I have a long and wonderful fic just beginning to crystallise in my consciousness. I'm not even going to start it until I've finished S2 of Avatar and written my Remix assignment and gathered some of my resilience back (no more soulless fics. not for a while.) but I want to collect ideas.

I've spent the afternoon spilling meta at [livejournal.com profile] hobviously and my ideas are a bit clearer as a result, but I want to hear from everyone else. Tell me about her father, and her brother, and her firebending, and how she likes Ty Lee's cheerful amorality and even more she likes the fact that Mai isn't scared of her, but how sometimes she lies awake staring at the stars and wondering if she won't have to kill Mai one of these days.

(I also need music for an Azula playlist; so far I have eleven songs, but I need more.)
ext_12491: (Curious)

[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
!!! IS THE SONG ABOUT HER, OR ABOUT YOU? BECAUSE IF I HAD KNOWN THERE WAS A DESTROYER-SONG-WORTHY CHARACTER ON THAT SHOW, I WOULD HAVE DEMANDED THAT YOU CD ME IT FOR THE SUMMER!
ext_21673: ([avatar] gratuitous daddy issues)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
IT IS ABOUT HER. SHE IS...OKAY I WILL PULL BACK THE FULL-THROATED SCREAMS OF EXCITEMENT ABOUT FINDING AN INFLEXIBLE VILLAIN ARCHETYPE WHO IS A *TEENAGE GIRL* AND JUST GO ON ABOUT HOW SMART AND POWERFUL AND RUTHLESS AND OBSESSIVE SHE IS.
ext_12491: (Joyful noise)

[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
If she has the best legs in a business built for kicks, then is she also A Dangerous Woman Up to a Point (http://www.deftone.com/destroyer/index.php?title=A_Dangerous_Woman_Up_to_a_Point)?
ext_21673: ([avatar] brave adventurers)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
*considers*

No, but Mai might be.
ext_12491: (Hagu-chan)

[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
:O

I wish I knew characters who deserved Destroyer songs . . . I have only ever connected Camille/Painter in Your Pocket and me/lots of lyrics, especially the indie rock meta ones.

this avatar business is clearly the good shit.
glamaphonic: nikki green looks on | <user name=sincerely_jane site=livejournal.com> ([av] nobody's safe for we care for none)

[personal profile] glamaphonic 2007-04-06 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
this avatar business is clearly the good shit.

YEAH. YEAH IT IS.
glamaphonic: nikki green looks on | <user name=sincerely_jane site=livejournal.com> ([av] she's poisonously pretty)

[personal profile] glamaphonic 2007-04-06 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
HELLO.

I AM VERY SAD THAT I HAD LONG SINCE NARCOLEPSED WHEN YOU WANTED TO TALK AND META ABOUT AVATAR AT ME. THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE PASSTIMES. I AM VERY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID TO PDL RE: THIS.

Anyways, about Azula! I have a lot of meta in me about her that most of the Avatar fandom doesn't want to listen to because they're lame AND DO NOT APPRECIATE HOW AWESOME SHE IS.

Of course, the point at which Azula like seriously blows your mind above and beyond the MIND-BLOWING PREVIOUSLY is in the season two finale, which you have not seen! Though I do wonder what episode you have seen up to!

That said, Azula is a ruthless patriot. She is a perfectionist who demands that same level of competency from everyone around her. If they can't provide that, then she has no use or regard for them. I think she feels like everyone has a role to fulfill and a proper place, but if they don't perform up to standard then they should be replaced. I think this is definitely borne out in her choice of friends, since considering her archetype at first glance you would probably expect her to be entirely derisive or dismissive of non-benders (somewhat like the attitude one gets from Toph), but she's actually even more clever and dangerous I think because she's more than capable of appreciating how ridiculously efficient Mai and Ty Lee are regardless of their placement on the warrior totem pole so to speak. I think that her bending is just an extension of her self, something that she also needs to be in line with that same standard of perfection.

And though it is not about Azula exactly, I love what you said about Ty Lee's cheerful amorality because it is like ridiculously hard to get most people in this fandom to consider anything besides TY LEE IS GOOD AND OF THE LIGHT SINCE SHE IS CHEERFUL WHILST MAI IS CLEARLY EVIL AND IRREDEEMABLE BECAUSE SHE IS GOTH AND A THREAT TO ZUKO/KATARA OMG.

Back to Azula, I don't think she would wonder if she might not have to kill Mai one of these days as much as she would know that it would be prudent once something came along that Mai found more interesting or more in her best interest than doing what Azula says. And it wouldn't be something she'd look forward or dread, just something she'd accept as yet another necessity in the continuing pursuit of her goal, which is the triumph and glory of the Fire Nation.

And I cannot really talk about HER BROTHER or more until you have watched the finale!
ext_21673: ([avatar] papa love your princess)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I have seen up to The Drill!

Mai is in her own way just as self-serving as Azula is, whereas Ty Lee is more likely to go along with Azula so as not to cause a fuss. It's true that at the moment Mai is kicking ass for Team Azula because it's the least boring option available to her, but there's the possibility - as you say - of surly princelings something else providing more potential for entertainment in the future. And Azula is both very smart and very much a compartmentaliser: as soon as Mai steps over the line from 'patriot' to 'traitor' - which she would, if she chose to align herself with said princeling in any way - the she'd be written off decisively. Azula wouldn't kill her BEFORE then, but I am pretty sure she's considered the possibility of it happening.
skygiants: Sokka from Avatar: the Last Airbender peers through an eyeglass (*peers*)

[personal profile] skygiants 2007-04-06 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
. . . I want to be of help to you, but every time I start to write this it starts turning into Ty Lee meta instead. Mostly based on the recruitment scenes, and that whole basically-threatening-Ty-Lee-into-leaving-the-circus thing, and Ty Lee obviously knows what is going on, and obviously has to be kind of afraid of Azula and completely aware of what she is capable of, but nonetheless she's still just so genuinely cheerful and happy to see her and - okay, maybe I can't make coherent Ty Lee meta. But I want to babble about her regardless.
ext_21673: ([avatar] papa love your princess)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Babble away! I can't write much about Azula without covering the other Dangerous Ladies as well, and Ty Lee is the one I have the least grasp on.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-04-06 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
*looks at post*

*looks at Wikipedia*

*adds this to 'To Watch' list in despair*
ext_21673: ([bsg] pilotlove > everything)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
I...will not give you the full manifesto as to why this show is awesome right now. I will find you on AIM and do it there. But trust me. You'll love it.

HOWEVER, MISSY, YOU NEED TO FINISH BSG FIRST. Persevere past 2x14. By about 2x18 it gets good again.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
It comes on tomorrow, so I'll take a look - I don't think this ep has Azula, though. But eventually. :D

Re BSG: have been through 2x16 now. I shall soldier bravely on. Is...so... difficult. Really really. *wipes invisible sweat from brow*

Except if I finish BSG there will be no more for ages! :[
ext_21673: ([bsg] HUGZ)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's YONKS before we'll get any more, but that is just time in which we can watch other things! And write lots of fic!

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-04-07 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
*cracks up*

Aha, your diabolical plan becomes clear. XD