fahye: ([other] helena - all in your head)
Fahye ([personal profile] fahye) wrote2007-03-16 01:00 pm

hmm

Just so you know, the only thing I do that gives me any chance of listening to what's cool - or rather, what was cool - is buying the Triple J Hottest 100 album every year. (Well. My mother buys it, and I steal it. My mother is much cooler than I am.)

Augie March played at the ANU Bar on Wednesday, actually - I saw them setting up when I was on my way to a choir meeting. And I must say: I like 'One Crowded Hour', but I am slightly baffled that it was the #1. It's not...all that special...surely? Aussies? Weigh in.

('Black Fingernails, Red Wine', on the other hand, is flat-out awesome.)

I AM SO BORED, FLIST. SO BORED. Someone say hello.

[identity profile] brynnmck.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
HELLO FAHYE. WHY DON'T YOU COME VISIT ME I HAVE ALL FOUR SEASONS OF DUE SOUTH.
ext_21673: ([dw] this could be a little more sonic)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
OH BRYNN. I WOULD LIKE NOTHING BETTER. Unfortunately I am currently nailed to the spot by an obstinate summary paper that refuses to eeeeend, and an inconvenient puddle known as the Pacific.

YOU SHOULD WRITE ME MORE FRASER-AND-HIS-RAYS FIC. OT3s bridge all divides.

[identity profile] brynnmck.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
STUPID PUDDLES. *cries* Seriously. VERY STUPID.

OT3s bridge all divides

Amen to that! PERHAPS I SHALL. Though I am currently percolating a post-CotW Fraser/Vecchio, Kowalski/Maggie fic, and that is going to be fun, I think.

*pokes your paper for you*
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
I want to see CotW so much!

[identity profile] brynnmck.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I want you to, too! Sigh. No luck yet, huh? (Although. Uh. Technically, I have not seen all of CotW yet. I've seen parts of it [mainly the first half] and read most of the transcript, but I haven't actually sat down and watched the whole thing. I'M NOT READY FOR IT TO BE OVER. But probably this weekend.)
ext_21673: ([other] leave all this to yesterday)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I am forcing myself not to download things, because then I will watch them, and then I will never work again. Ever! BSG is the exception because I can't not-watch BSG, and OH WAS IT EVER WORTH IT.

Has anybody ever written long, satisfying Ray/Stella? Do you know? Because basically when it comes to RayK I just turn pushy and protective and want him to have everything he wants. Provided he learns to look after it.

Maybe someone should buy him a puppy? Puppy first, Ray, then you can have your wife back.

[identity profile] brynnmck.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
I have not watched BSG yet! I fail at BSG! But I'm hoping to get caught up before the finale.

I have not found any lengthy Ray/Stella, but I have not looked that hard yet, either. I've just started reading Kowalski fic fairly recently because I wanted to get through his part of the canon first, so I didn't get fanon in my canon. ;) If I find anything, though, I will let you know! There was a great (though short) Ray/Stella fic that [livejournal.com profile] kill_claudio wrote for Less is More, though. Pre-series, and HOT.

And OMG. A puppy? He should start with a PLANT. HEE. (Have you seen "Hunting Season," though? Because he and Maggie are pretty awesome.)
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
!!! It's such a fantastic episode. Really.

HAHAHA. In my case it's more: oh look, there are a few specks of canon floating around in my fanon. And yeah, probably a plant might be best.

Fraser: *buys Ray a cactus*
Ray: *manages to kill it*

[identity profile] tammaiya.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
*has it* *smugs at you* Maybe one day, when you have a life again, I shall show it to you? IT IS SO AWESOME.

[identity profile] pat-trick.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
hhhhhhhhhallllo!
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:18 am (UTC)(link)
*screams*

To think I had almost forgotten the existence of Manuel!

[identity profile] pat-trick.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
...i don't know if i'm comfortable having manuel associated with my userpic.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Too late. You're smirking and everything.

[identity profile] pat-trick.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
oh dear.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
Helloooo! I finished Lucifer #11 yesterday. :o

I have to say, that last offer of... truce, or whatever it was surprised the hell out of me. He must not know him well at all if he thought Lucifer would actually want that. ??
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Lucifer #11 is wonderful, but it does manage to fuck with one's head and one's heart with equal ease. And just when you think Carey's gone as far with the concept as he can possibly go...he throws us that final confrontation.

AND ELAINE.

AND MAZIKEEN.

AND JILL & WOSSFACE THE NORSE GUY! (Belphangar? Summat like that?)

One of the best things about something to epic drawing to a close is that you get the satisfying endings for all of these characters that you've been attached to for...well, four years or so, for me.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
I hated Mazikeen at the beginning of the series. She just seemed utterly slavish and randomly subservient and I didn't know any of the backstory and it was boring. But by the end, whoa. My opinion had changed a bit.

Elaine! Wah. I loved Elaine, though I thought she put up with too much BS from various quarters. But I guess she had to. Also she was what, twelve?

And Jill! And their girls' night out! And Gaudium and Spera! *flails* Yes, all those endings were excellent. And there were a few more decent (as in 'good') characters in the last couple volumes so that Lucifer stopped looking like the nice guy by contrast, which was sort of a relief.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Elaine is basically one of my favourite fictional characters ever. He.r story starts so simply and expands until it's absolutely breathtaking (because...well, you can't really go UP from the Throne, can you?).

You're right: in the later volumes it was more Lucifer(+allies) against the Forces Of Injustice, and although he never got quite out of characters, I was vastly more comfortable with the narrative when we had something more morally pale to set him against, so that his particular shade of grey DID show up as darkly as it needed to.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
You wouldn't think so, but... she sat on the Throne in book ten. She received the power in nine. The Lessons In Being (a) God were fabulous.

I was more comfortable with that part of it, too. It didn't help that aside from Michael, all the angels - the expected foil - were either morons or assholes. (And I found Gabriel intensely creepy, mainly because I felt like we saw him most in the section drawn by Craig Russell. SO WRONG.)

Lucifer - well. I couldn't help making comparisons, and it was a strange contrast. This Lucifer was brilliant, cutting, stubborn omg, intensely proud - of course. But it's like he was missing some tiny thing that (as I'm well-trained, haha) I expected. I want to say a sense of cruelty, but that's not really right. I don't think of [livejournal.com profile] samael_diablo as cruel per se, but if he sees an easy opportunity and he's not especially fond of the other party, he'll probably take it - for amusement, if nothing else. I don't think Mike Carey's version would give a damn - he's too self-obsessed. I wouldn't expect them to be the same, obviously - I just found it interesting.
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I think [livejournal.com profile] samael_diablo is cruel . . . or at least that he contains the potential for cruelty, although we rarely see it exercised (no business in the bar).

I haven't read all of the comics, but it was my comparison that I can conceive of someone falling in love with Fahye's Lucifer; Carey's less so.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I meant I don't see cruelty as his defining characteristic. I don't see him taking on the traditional devil's role of spending eternity cackling on a throne somewhere, taking time on Earth to stomp on kitten tails and look for people to trick. But hey - I don't know what he gets up to in his out-of-bar hours... maybe kittens fear him the world over. ;)

I agree with you on the love thing - it would be incredibly hard to care about someone who so adamantly doesn't care about anything except achieving his own goals. And occasionally railing against what he sees as the injustices stacked against him.

On the other hand, [livejournal.com profile] samael_diablo cares about that stuff, but also about other things, including taking a certain amusement in the pain of others. Which is strangely endearing. ;) Why is this the thing that makes it possible?? There is more tied into it... I suppose he seems more human, overall. Nobody tell him I said that.
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Would that even be cruelty? it's so cartoonish and unfrightening. :O On the other hand . . . most of this argument is probably just because I like the word 'cruelty.' (See this fic (http://schiarire.livejournal.com/160432.html).)

Probably his Tragic Love Backstory helps.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Probably it does help, but I think I'd say the same even if I didn't know anything about the Tragic Love Backstory. Such a backstory never hurts, though. ;)

Do you see cruelty as his defining characteristic, then? I always thought that somehow he had better things to do than look for ways to be mean. Maybe not. Or maybe it's just that he doesn't have to look very hard.

You do like that word! It's a good one. And I liked that story a lot - so restrained, both form and characters. Do you think Thom's penchant for cruelty is a large part of why they get along so well?

Aaaand I go to bed now. I hope the overnight upload doesn't mean you have to stay up and babysit it all night. :/
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think that is his defining characteristic, no . . . if he sought out opportunities like that, then he would be -- the reverse of a personal God. You know? And in a sense, that would be almost as good as being, I don't know, Abraham (which arguably was not as much fun as a night at the movies!). Obsession, individualism, cruelty: these are human traits. God is inhuman and, at least in Raguel's canon (I am unsure about Lucifer's) inhumanly indifferent. For good or for bad, humans care. I think that [livejournal.com profile] samael_diablo at least stands somewhere between these two poles. He isn't going to devote himself to, e.g., stalking one person for the duration of their life and totally corrupting them -- not even Jesus, apparently -- and seeking their destruction. But neither has he, like God, removed himself from Man entirely and gone off to twiddle his vast thumbs. Indifferent evil, I suppose, would be things like natural disasters; personal evil more on the lines of murder.

Of course, Carey's Lucifer says that he never made anyone do anything. & this is true, but it is a bendy truth, and I am sure it has other sides. It does not quite seem true of Fahye's Lucifer (remember Hob?) but you could argue that it was, I think, if you wanted. Based on the assumption that the inclination was already in people.

~

To be honest, I don't know why Lucifer and Thom still get along; except that they seem to have no illusions about each other. I think that Thom as he is now is about as far from the type of person that usually interests Lucifer as it is possible to get, but that earlier in his life, it might have been otherwise. Thom has lost all his innocence. Of all kinds: emotional, mental, situational, sexual, innocence of action, what have you. Actually I think the problem may be that he may have become a little too like Lucifer -- sort of, proud and hard and 99% ennui. (There are other problems with Thom now, of course.)

*weeps* Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahye lend meta!
ext_21673: ([rp] lucifer/grace SHUT UP ALL OF YOU)

[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
WTF, I leave for lunch and you two get into indepth meta discussion of my character! I am not complaining, but, uh, wow.

As I see it, the main difference between my Lucifer and Carey's is that, as Holly said, Carey's is so devoted to his own plans. Anything else is incidental. His anger against God has progressed and dwindled to something almost like contempt. Whereas mine, though he may not show it often, is still - in some areas - an idealist. He still believes in the Cause. He still rails against the injustice of the Name if you give him enough fuel.

As for cruelty, um. I agree that a lot of it is amusement, but a better world is curiosity. And a certain amount of pleasure in manipulation. He is occasionally far more human than he would like, and the irony isn't lost on him. He is capable of fondness for certain beings (*icons unsubtly*), even though he is always careful to restrict exactly how close any one person gets.

Hob was, more than anything he has ever encountered, unexpected.

AS EVER, I have to quote Art. Because I have never and will never get it down as well as she did:

I think you are a consummate professional in the art of beauty. You dislike that which is not beautiful. You disdain it. You're like the sparest of poetry, pared down, each single word laid perfect in its place. And you like pain, because people are beautiful when they suffer: stripped to what is basic and essential, to the violence of the id, to desire and death and nothing more.

But you are capable of love, and capable of gentleness. You are flawed. They say that it was pride and envy that sent you falling; but I think that it was something more damning -- something else... It's not angelic, that flaw. Angels are cold, and distant, and perfect, and pure. No angel would have made so mortal a gesture as to burn all the forests in my dream.


This post (http://samael-diablo.livejournal.com/2045.html), as well as the Tragic Love Backstory (http://mercurial-wit.livejournal.com/23585.html), is pretty much all the meta I find myself needing, most of the time.

~

Thom is entirely comprised of Issues, Ji. You could unravel him into the smallest threads and there would not be a single one that doesn't need intensive therapy.
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't mean his relationship/affair with Hob, I meant when I got online and you and Art were stumbling off to bed and Lucifer had just compelled Hob to kiss him and wreck Hob/Billy! *malicious glee*

I'M SURE THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THOM THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

Some... thing...
ext_12491: (To write fiction)

[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
Clarification:

>>And in a sense, that would be almost as good<<

I meant that it would be almost as good for the humans affected by a personal devil.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! Er. Was that an order?
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
Well, or we could spam Fahye. I just wanted to direct you here (http://schiarire.livejournal.com/290998.html?mode=reply).

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
Hahahaha. I suppose icons must mean I have caved already and I just don't know it. Actually, I've been planning to watch! I just thought it would need to be a weekend thing. However. Weekend starts in a matter of hours. \o/
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Hours . . . that could be used to achieve downloads!
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[identity profile] schiarire.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I may be uploading the rest of the series overnight. It's possible. >.>

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Ooooh. I shall Make Plans. :D

[identity profile] baggers.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
One Crowded Hour >>>> All other songs last year.

I guess if you can't at all relate to it, then it maybe doesn't mean much, but the fairly universal theme looked at in such a horribly honest manner just guts me to death every time.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
I was just telling Ji how I feel that I am missing a large chunk of the human condition, having not been in love! Anyway, my snap judgements of songs are almost entirely based on sound - the words contribute to this, but not nearly as much as the music itself.

[identity profile] baggers.livejournal.com 2007-03-16 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh absolutely. If a song SOUNDS stupid, it will never get any love from me, but I can totally ignore and in fact often enjoy retarded lyrics. That said, the songs that I find myself loving for longer than 2 weeks always have fantastic lyrics, that is what pushes it from good to great in my opintion.