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Fahye ([personal profile] fahye) wrote2011-03-25 11:35 am
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booooored

I am over paediatrics and it's been a week. This is probably because none of the lecturers have been much good except the guy who went on about fractures for ages, and it's fucking cold outside and really warm in the tiny videoconferencing room and I am seriously this close to just falling asleep against the wall and answering all questions directed at me with a snore or a light stream of drool.

I'm drinking mocha, but part of me is trying to feel guilty about it, because yesterday we had the chronic diseases lecture about the skyrocketing rates of juvenile diabetes and the way our society increasingly makes healthy food/healthy amounts of activity really difficult to obtain and how much more awesome lifestyle interventions would be if the social environment in which the changes should be made were even slightly interested in facilitating those changes...

and I'm like, MAN I COULD DO WITH SOME MCNUGGETS RIGHT NOW.

Relatedly: I am trying so hard to be on guard against the fatphobia that medical school instills in a person, and I'm coming to the conclusion it's all about separating personhood from medical fact. It's about being honest with people about the increased complication rates following surgery, but refusing to participate in conversations that involve the word 'disgusting' as applied to fat people. It's about knowing that obesity is a risk factor for insulin resistance and hypertension and high cholesterol, and being conscientious about monitoring these things, but not getting hung up on weight if a fat person is actually pretty damn healthy. It's about trying not to kick my colleagues in the teeth when they reduce the problem to 'well, if they just ate less crap and got off their asses once in a while...' It's about the fine line between doing and saying things out of genuine desire to improve someone's health, and doing and saying them because you just don't think they should be FAT, because EW.

In this as in many other things, I think it comes down to a test of basic human decency, ie. does this thing you're about to say make you sound like a dickhead, Y/N? If Y -> DON'T SAY IT. You can teach students about the increased difficulty of operating on people with a large body habitus without making it into a game of GUESS THEIR BMI complete with horrified noises upon being given the answer.

Anyway.

BORED. BORED BORED. Save me from drooling indignity: say hi if you're around. Tell me something fun.
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[personal profile] ashen_key 2011-03-25 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
And that whole bit on fatphobia is why you are going to make an AWESOME doctor, and not make people start crying in the carpark after appointments with you. Trufax.

But I can't do fun, I don't think. Stayed up until 4:30am, and graaaaaaaaah, Frar, I want my writing muse to SHUT. UP. and stop...coming up with ideas. It's ridiculous. Particularly as Avatar (aliens, not airbenders) doesn't have a very large reading/writing fandom ANYWAY, and I go and do things like 'um, guys, this is kinda racist and unfortunate implications, why can't we fix' and they are all 'IT'S ALL GENIUS NO RACISM AT ALL THE NA'VI ARE PURE' and it makes me sad. And I'm rambling, so I'll stop now.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Look on the bright side: I kind of miss the days when I was inspired to stay up until 4:30am writing or RPing! Throw your muse my way :)
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[personal profile] ashen_key 2011-03-25 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
GLADLY! *g* Be warned: muse does not come with the ability to focus on one story at once, or even one fandom *pokes her various Inception ideas ruefully*
Edited 2011-03-25 01:02 (UTC)
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
That is not an unfamiliar problem, trust me!
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a question: are none of your colleagues fat? Surely there must be fat doctors out there. I mean, I know there are fat GPs, I've consulted them before - are there not fat doctors and soon-to-be doctors in med school and teaching hospitals?
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
There's a handful in my course, but honestly? Very, very few. And very few hospital doctors are fat -- mayabe part of it's the lifestyle difference, given that GPs spend a lot of their professional life sitting in chairs, and most doctors spend the same amount of time dashing around the hospitals.

I think the single most important factor is socioeconomic, though; most medical students come from very affluent backgrounds, and also live in the cities instead of rurally, both of which mean much better overall access to fresh nutritious food.

Plus we have the health messages drilled into us from day 1 of medical school, and most of us are pretty good at keeping to them. Apart from the binge drinking. That still goes on.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Why *don't* rural areas have good access to fresh food? This is puzzling to me.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I am by no means an expert on this, but...it depends on the rural area, certainly. Orange has heaps of fresh food because it's a fairly large town in the middle of a massively fertile area full of orchards and wineries and other producers, but a lot of the more remote places have to get their food delivered from quite a long way away, without the promise of a huge market that channels so much fresh produce towards the major cities. So the food in those areas swings highly towards stuff that's tinned or made with a lot of preservatives, or stuff cooked from frozen (ie. most fast food).

And the economic disparity plays a role here too: the average income tends to be lower in remote areas, so people spend the money that they have on whatever will get them enough calories, and that's sadly the cheap, calorie-dense, unhealthy stuff. Fresh fruit and veg are expensive, and even MORE expensive if they have to be trucked in from a long way away, and the subsequent lack of demand for the produce means that less is likely to be delivered...etc.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
*chinhands*

So... you know the urban gardening projects people get going in cities? Everyone grows carrots in their footpath verges, co-op gardens and whatnot. Perhaps there's a need for such things in smaller rural centres, too? Which sounds counter-intuitive because people expect *rural* to be *full of food*. But, hmm, growing vegetable gardens is a completely different skill to growing wheat or farming sheep, and maybe not everyone has those skills or the time to put into raising a whole range of vegetables on their own property.

To be effective there'd need to be a balance for the socio-economic disadvantages - start-up money and training resources and so on. And you'd need to tie it in with existing community networks (schools? Pre-schools? churches?) but not rest it solely on any one of them, in case that organisation collapsed.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about what should be done on a national level to help solve this problem -- tax junk food and use the proceeds to subsidise healthier food?

Education, while not nearly as big a contributer to the problem as many other things, DOES play a role here, especially in early childhood. We've been hearing about lots of young mothers who maybe didn't finish high school, and live remotely so coming in for paediatric checkups is logistically difficult, and maybe you have four kids to look after and if one of them refuses to eat anything except cow's milk flavoured with chocolate syrup in a bottle, that's what you give her. And then eventually the kid presents with a haemoglobin level that's scraping the floor, and vitamin deficiencies.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
tax junk food and use the proceeds to subsidise healthier food?

Possibly subsidies the *production* (rather than, or as well as, consumer purchase) of fresh food? Well, further subsidise - primary producers are already subsidised. Because in addition to expense there's the problem of supply - there isn't enough of it or it's in the wrong places, and that's something small-scale local production can help with.

And education, yis! Which is another hard one to do without wandering into *something*-ist territory. Classist, probably.

[identity profile] dr-biscuit.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Actually I find the hospital job is *worse * for a healthy lifestyle, because longer hours mean no daylight to exercise in, and rushing all over the shop means I don't prioritise shopping for and cooking meals, so eat what is to hand, which is often junky.

We had a teaching session on new diabetic treatments yesterday, and the incretin based therapies. Really fascinating stuff, about gut released hormones that modulate the pancreatic insulin response, as well as satiety centres, which are known to be deficient in T2DM (both their release and the response to them). New therapies are bringing HbA1c back to target *and* reducing weight in diabetic people. The prof giving session talks about side effects - 'the major side effect is nausea, and you need to counsel patients to stop eating when they no longer feel hungry, which is new to many of them'. Cue guffaws from the crowd.

And I'm sitting there fuming, because we've just been hearing about how people with T2DM have been missing a major satiety hormone for maybe a decade, and we think it's hilarious that restoring it might lead people to need to learn new habits? Fuck off.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hi! Er, fun. Fun, hmm. I've spent the last half-hour poring over a group phone bill and I think it has broken my 'fun' function (temporarily, I hope). It has some prorated charges since 2 of the 4 lines are new, and a 5th line that is a mystery person who called Bolivia. Bolivia, North Carolina, USA. I didn't know it existed, either. o.O

And now I will practice cello in the 20 minutes remaining before 10pm when the crazy downstairs neighbor will come bang on my door saying that the sound of me sitting on the couch typing is so noisy it's keeping her awake. Ah, apartment life.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I am lucky I have never had neighbour problems really! Except for that one time in College when I took to dancing thumpily around my room and I WAS THE PROBLEM NEIGHBOUR, sorry person living below me.

[identity profile] unravels.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
If I was dancing I could maybe understand it! But I am not moving furniture at 3am. I'm probably awake, but I'm far too lazy. I'm sure she is just hearing someone else and it sounds like it's coming from here... for some reason. Maybe I should dance around so she can hear the difference. In heels. Those new ones with polka dots would look fabulous with my pyjamas.

Oh, there was a crackpot theory about my next-door neighbor dumping a body out his window in the middle of the night! But that's not fun, either. Interesting, maybe.
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[identity profile] foreverdirt.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:50 am (UTC)(link)
Hi, hello, hi! I really appreciate what you've said here about fatphobia in the medical profession -- awareness of stuff like this is, as [livejournal.com profile] ashen_key says, why you're going to make an awesome doctor.

Something fun? Um, why do ghosts make such bad liars?

*drum roll*

Because you can see right through them!
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
At least a lot of doctors DO try to impart the messages about rising obesity rates being a problem related to infrastructure and societal norms, not just personal willpower.

That reminds me of my favourite joke! What's red and invisible?


...


NO TOMATOES.

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
I have a lot of ~feelings~ on doctors and fatphobia, and I keep trying to respond to this entry but then I keep getting upset (not at you, don't worry) and it doesn't happen.

Funthings! Are you on tumblr? Tumblr is good for fun things.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
I am not on tumblr, I made the decision a long time ago that it would be very very bad for my productivity.

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
that is probably a fair decision. HERE, HAVE A PONY: http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lik3jciUYP1qgmvb3o1_500.png
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[personal profile] silveraspen 2011-03-25 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
Do I EVER hear you. I have been struggling with a post on this topic from a public health perspective in the safety net for some time.

Hi!
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
HI ASPEN.

I feel awkward approaching the topic because there's a lot of stuff out there about Healthy At Any Size (which is awesome) but also some places that are like ALL THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE ABOUT BEING FAT = BEING UNHEALTHY IS WRONG, which, well, no, it's not. There are still associated risks. But I agree that the medical profession as a whole still has an unhelpfully fatphobic approach to the whole matter, and a tendency to go FAT PERSON -> DING DING MUST INTERVENE, which sort of wipes out the person's identity.

[identity profile] setissma.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
i do not have anything fun to provide, but i'll be here, camping out in comments with my sleeping bag, stuffed whale shark, and beer. :>

[identity profile] lizardspots.livejournal.com 2011-03-25 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
SO VERY TRUE, everything you just said. I personally think socioeconomic status is the hugest influence on health from many different angles (weight, smoking, alcohol, access to healthcare, motivation to exercise) and yeah, I've seen the whole "omg! look at this dude's BMI lolololol what a fatty" amongst doctors and students alike. *sigh* It sucks. :/

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2011-03-26 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
My GP, my endocrinologist, and my hematologist all see me as a person, not as a fat person. I am quite unhealthy enough on my own that I need a hematologist and an endocrinologist; I also happen to be fat.

But it took me years to find this good collection of zebra doctors, and I guard them JEALOUSLY.

You could be a zebra doctor. You'd be good at it because you'd like the challenge. Just saying.