Doctor Who 4x13 -- Journey's End

[fahye]

So...who's going to be the first to write me very fucked-up fic about how Rose Tyler has to hammer out a relationship with someone who looks like Ten, acts like Nine, and gives attitude like Donna?

In other words: surprisingly, I liked Rose's ending. Because it's not going to be anything like sunshine and fluffy bunnies and epic Twoo Wuv (hot makeouts notwithstanding) and it's! Nine! again! kind of!

Donna's ending depressed me beyond words, but -- c&ping from a comment -- I think where the audience (and maybe even she herself) might have preferred for her to die, the Doctor needed her to live. And when you've got no choice but to get rid of an actress's character, and there's no way she WOULD walk away of her own accord, you've got pretty limited choices. She's alive and she's happy and the Doctor needs that, even though it's a horrible thing to contemplate for those of us who have seen her potential.

Oh, a couple of things I liked: Donna forcibly making sure she got to hug Jack during the TARDIS Family Celebration (dude, who can blame her?), the shoutout to Eve Myles The Ubiquitous Cardiff Girl, and Martha's mother hiding under a table while the Earth moved (*snickers* someone should write me Jack/Ianto with very bad jokes about feeling the Earth move), because that is such an eminently sensible thing to do and I expect no less from any relative of Dr. Martha Jones, Queen Of Awesome.

A final note: TEN, STOP BEING SUCH A NEEDY LITTLE BITCH. Srsly. Sarah Jane gave you hugs and talked about how you have a family, you know where to find Jack & Martha & Mickey if you ever want to drop in for coffee and shagging, and you're STILL STANDING IN THE RAIN TALKING ABOUT HOW LONELY YOU ARE. Someone slap that Time Lord.

Comments

[tammaiya.livejournal.com]

I concur! with pretty much your whole post.

Somewhat less "me too!"-ishly, I cracked up at the beginning of the ep because they leave you on this enormous cliffhanger with all the characters, and then it's like... haha! JUST JOKING. And I feel like I SHOULD feel like it was a cop out, with Torchwood in their time bubble and the Doctor unregenerating like that, but mostly it just made me giggle. And feel relieved. ♥ Although god, I cried the entire way through that Donna bit like the wussy wuss I am. It was doubly terrible after that bit where clone!Doctor reads her thoughts about how she's not worth anything and you know all her achievements, all her sense of accomplishment is gone and she can't have it back.

I wasn't sure exactly how I felt about Rose getting her own Doctor-- because how come she gets one and Martha doesn't?-- but for the reasons you mentioned (and because I don't go near fandom wank) I am cautiously in favour.

Also, who wants a bet that Martha and Mickey are joining Torchwood? FTW!

[fahye.livejournal.com]

I will buy that part of Ten IS in love with Rose in a way he isn't with Martha, and that enough of that was in human!Doctor (who was non-Time-Lord enough to actually be able to TELL HER he loved her) that they've got something to work with. No matter how unhealthy it is, Rose needs the Doctor. Martha doesn't need a copy of Ten to drag around as a constant reminder of the fact that he doesn't love her; besides, she's doing a good job of moving on. And I am SO CHUFFED that she'll probably be a Torchwood regular next season, if only because we might get to see more of Tom. (Though if Tom becomes Rhys Mk. 2 I will PUNCH SOMEONE.)

[ariastar.livejournal.com]

Absolute agreement with this entire post!

If I find the time today I am hammering out Rose/not!Doctor fic. Because I desperately need to write it. And I'm overjoyed that you liked it for the same reasons I did -- or at least I think perhaps they are? I like it because I love Rose/Nine and that's ... sort of what we were given. With added complications. <3

TEN NEEDS TO GET THE HELL OVER HIMSELF. (I submit that the Master should help. Possibly in the s5 project which I am now embarking on thinky thoughts about.)

[girl-wonder.livejournal.com]

I'd absolutely go for slapping.

Me: Oh, Ten, give up on the emo.

I think my main problem with Donna's ending was that... it really was tacked on. Like, I felt it was unnecessarily angsty, and a little bit non-con. Especially because the show seemed to be like, "HA, now she's back to SQUARE ONE."

...and my guilty thing was that I liked that Rose was pissy at getting the short end of the stick. She seemed kind of like, "...but I wanted you!"

In the end, though, in my head, Donna Noble is still awesome.

[skygiants]

The Doctor needed her to live

I think a large part of my anger is that I would so much rather Donna get what she wants and needs - even if that means her death - than the Doctor getting what he wants and needs. Because I thoroughly concur that what he really needs is a slap in the face.

[fahye.livejournal.com]

OH WHATEVER, LJ.

Anyway:

Oh, me too. ME TOO. However, I acknowledge that Donna's death would have made him interminably emo for at least another season, and I'm not sure I could have coped with that.

[skygiants]

LJ does not want to subscribe to our newsletter. :(

Okay, this is a very valid point. He's going to be ridiculously emo anyways - the next Companion had better be of the does-not-put-up-with-bullshit type, or I am going to reach through the screen and beat him up myself.

[fahye.livejournal.com]

You know what would be even better? Someone MORE EMO THAN HIM. Like. A grumpy teenager who feels sorry for themself all the time and the Doctor has to drag them around and tell them about the wonder of the universe in and eventually yell at them for being so self-absorbed.

I think it would do wonders for his self-awareness, actually :D

[skygiants]

Hahaha yes! I APPROVE OF THIS PLAN.

(I am still hoping for more than one Companion, too, so we get wacky group dynamics and hopefully not even more focus on The Doctor Is The Specialest Person There Is.)