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Fahye ([personal profile] fahye) wrote2007-03-21 10:37 pm
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Sexuality poll

I don't know about you, but I find one of the most fascinating things about online fandom to be the reversal - or at least the complete destruction - of the heteronormative assumption that I act upon in real life. I am sure there are a whole lot of social reasons for this that I'm not even going to touch (though you're welcome to give me your two cents in comments, as I do find it interesting!) - this is, to satisfy my own curiosity, a simple Kinsey poll.

(Feel free to link to this, by the way - the more responses I get, the more illustrative the results will be.)



Kinsey being the guy who claimed that only a small amount of people are utterly straight/utterly gay, and that most people fall somewhere in between, like so:

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The perfectionist in me finds a six-point scale to be rather limiting, so I'm going with percentages instead (for example, I define as pretty much bisexual but with a slight preference for women, so my answer below would be '40% - 60%').

I realise that many people (not least Captain Jack Harkness) would consider this to be an overly simplistic version of sexuality, it does not take all gender definitions into account, etc...I acknowledge that it's a single axis of the huge issue that is human sexuality, but I'm not interested in dominance/submission and other axes right now. Hmm. You know what, maybe I am. *goes to edit poll* (Note that this doesn't have to have anything to do with BDSM, either lifestyle-wise or in play, just...general sexual or relationship dynamic. And in the interests of fair play: I'd put myself as 'somewhat dominant'). I am not setting out to exclude anyone or act in wilful ignorance of the complexity of the issue, so don't leap down my throat about that, but do leave a comment giving your point of view, because I want to hear it :)

The answers aren't visible to everyone, just me, but I'll compile the results and present them later as an anonymous set of numbers. That said, do not feel at ALL obliged to answer any of the questions if you feel uncomfortable disclosing this information to me or if you are offended by the labels or for any other reason.

[Poll #950953]

Man, I have been studying psych for too long.

Feel free to expand/explain/start discussions in comments, too! (Comments = not screened. Consider this your general public forum.)

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2007-03-21 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I am slightly drunkfaced, so I will actually post my thoughts on this tomorrow or...something. I don't know. You know me, I'm a freak. I'm probably the most sexual person on your flist.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-21 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you're a freak :D But an interesting and articulate one! You are a one-man education.

*twincest icons at you*
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[personal profile] sophistry 2007-03-21 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Why is this so tricky. LJ polls should allow gradients. :|

For the purposes of the dominant/submissive question, I'm assuming you meant 'sexuality' in the sense of 'in sexual situations' (in which I'd tend towards the submissive) versus the sense of 'in a sexual(/romantic) relationship' (in which, inversely, I'd probably lean more towards the dominant).
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[personal profile] sophistry 2007-03-21 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, with the obvious caveat that all of the above is subject to varying degrees of flexibility depending on the other person in said situation/relationship.

[identity profile] run-atreyu.livejournal.com 2007-03-22 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Can't answer the poll as I'm asexual but emotionally/aesthetically attracted to women. I don't know much about the Kinsey scale but would assume that it doesn't cover asexuality. If I were framing emotional/aesthetic attraction gender-wise I'd lean probably 90% towards women, 10% men or so.

[identity profile] run-atreyu.livejournal.com 2007-03-22 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, and I find this stuff very interesting too! It certainly seems like fandom attracts people who don't fit the heteronormative worldview. I have theories around this, same as you. Certainly I identified as gay for a very long time before figuring out why that didn't fit right either.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-22 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
!!! I can't believe I forgot to add asexual as an option. Thanks for reminding me.

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, Kinsey doesn't cover asexuality - you filthy asexuals don't exist, remember, just like us filthy trannies ;P

[identity profile] run-atreyu.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. Oh the humanity of not fitting into someone's model of How Things Are.

[identity profile] hellmutt.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
Or, in other words:

"I don't need pleasure, I don't feel pain; if you were to knock me down I'd just get up again. I'm the urban spaceman (http://www.neilinnes.org/I.htm#urbanspaceman), baby, I'm [not] making out!" \m/

[identity profile] baggers.livejournal.com 2007-03-22 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
On any given day I could swing as far as 50-50 through to 100% homo. But I never drop below 50 on the gay side. Sorry, I love the womens too much, shucks.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2007-03-22 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
On any given day, interestingly, I tend to be leaning one way or the other. My 40-60 is more of a division of how many days I feel straight and how many I feel gay :D

Aaaand I'm back.

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
I often find a problem with these things - looking at homosexuality vs. heterosexuality and such, even if you include asexuality and bisexuality...well, they're still working off basic gender assumptions. Where do I, as an intergendered transsexual, fit into these categories?

I mean, what is heterosexual if I am both genders? What is homosexual? I mean, okay, I don't give a flying fuck about the gender of the person I'm interested in, but assume for a moment that I have to - what is the opposite sex of someone who is between sexes?

There is no real category for intersexed or trans people - which in a way is good, because it is left up to us to define ourselves. A person can be a heterosexual intersex person, simply because they can claim it and everyone is too scared to try and either argue it, or even to try and understand exactly what that is. If a person who is more than one sex identifies as homosexual - which means "same" - does that mean they are only attracted to other polygendered individuals? Does it mean they're attracted to others identifying with their dominant gender (if they have one)? What does it mean to be heterosexual or homosexual (or to have such tendencies) when there is no "opposite" or "same"?

There's an interesting phenomenon among transpeople - a person who was born male may grow up being heterosexual - being only attracted to women - but when she changes her gender to being female, she is attracted to men. Perhaps this is a better example of "heterosexuality", which is being attracted to the opposite gender, rather than simply being attracted to men (or women or whatever). A lot of transmen go through this, identifying as a lesbian until they transition from female to male, when they realize they are actually only interested in men. This is, perhaps, homosexuality as a more true sense - being attracted to the same sex, regardless of what that sex is.

So it seems to me that there is a difference between homosexuality/heterosexuality, and being attracted to men/women/etc. What that difference is, no one is really sure yet, because no one wants to think about the freaks on the edge of society.

Re: Aaaand I'm back.

[identity profile] not-in-denial.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, and duh, there are actually words for being attracted mainly to men or women - androsexual (for being attracted to masculine/male people) and gynosexual (for being attracted to feminine/female people). Not sure if there's one for being attracted to those outside that...probably is, but I'm too tired to go looking :)
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Re: Aaaand I'm back.

[identity profile] kirby1024.livejournal.com 2007-03-23 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps something like attraction is (slightly) better modelled on a two-axis system - instead of having a single spectrum denoting attraction to same/attraction to non-same, instead set up two axes denoting attraction to male and attraction to female. If it's possible to consider each attraction as independent of one another (a dangerous assumption, to be sure!), one could place themselves somewhere on a plane by their general attraction to one, both, or neither gender. Asexuals would easily be able to denote their lack of sexual attraction to both genders quite easily in this case.

However, This admittedly does not do much to assist in marking non-gendernormative attraction, mostly because such a two-axis system continues the gender binary, which we already noted doesn't accurately define trans and genderfuck individuals. Part of me was tempted to jump in with a third "trans" axis, but it occurred to me that this was a rather heinous simplification of an extremely heterogenous set of sexual attractions.

Perhaps the third axis can be extensible? Have the third axis be a single-figure abstraction of a further n-axis graph defining the very large range of non-gendernormative behaviours? Perhaps it's just better to deal with an n-axis graph? Perhaps I'm just being silly with the whole idea of neatening human gender/sexuality into graph form?

Hmm... This requires some thought. Thought I really should be saving for my thesis...