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What the shit does Australia need an army for?
Where else will we put the people that want to kill other people? Gotta keep them in a nice green uniform so we can all see them.
So that John Howard can use them as brownnosing currency by sending them off to Iraq, of course.
Occasionally, they do useful things like act as a peacekeeping force in East Timor.
Occasionally, they do useful things like act as a peacekeeping force in East Timor.
Guess it depends on exactly you wanted to do once out of uni...I mean, what you do for the army would be incredibly different from private practise.
I am for not joining the army. A frivolous waste of your talents, that is.
True! But it's not like I'd be denied specialist training in some areas - I'm really interested in infectious diseases, and the army will pay for your postgrad training if they need someone in that area. And dude. Crazy foreign diseases! Of course they need people who know about those.
And yeah. It would be VERY different to a hospital or private practice, but that's some of the appeal. Anyway. I don't have to decide for another four years or whatever. It's just an option that I really like the look of.
And yeah. It would be VERY different to a hospital or private practice, but that's some of the appeal. Anyway. I don't have to decide for another four years or whatever. It's just an option that I really like the look of.
How so?
No, really, I'm very interested in opinions on this.
Also: I love that icon more and more every time I see it.
No, really, I'm very interested in opinions on this.
Also: I love that icon more and more every time I see it.
I don't know, I just feel that sending you off to a war zone after sticking you through boot camp is just not the way I want to see you treated.
It's dangerous and, well, I'd worry terribly.
And I haven't used this icon in so long. It's nice to break it out again. Though I am fond of my new default. *points to it*
It's dangerous and, well, I'd worry terribly.
And I haven't used this icon in so long. It's nice to break it out again. Though I am fond of my new default. *points to it*
That's sweet :) Ahahaha, boot camp. Yeah. The adventure stuff sounds kind of fun, provided I can acquire some physical fitness before I start. I can do 6 of the 8 required pushups, although to be fair a month ago I couldn't even do ONE.
Your new default is creepeh. But cool.
Your new default is creepeh. But cool.
I know it sounds fun, but for some reason I just don't think treating people injured in daily car bombings is going to be exactly what you had in mind.
What kind of medical license is it you're going for again?
What kind of medical license is it you're going for again?
Oh, I didn't say going into war zones would be FUN. But it would be different, and challenging, and eh. I am well aware that there are many arguments against. This is why I'm tossing it up now, and keeping it in the back of my mind for the next few years.
*points below* I'd probably train as a GP and then go for specialist training in infectious diseases, the armed forces not being in any great need of neurologists or oncologists.
*points below* I'd probably train as a GP and then go for specialist training in infectious diseases, the armed forces not being in any great need of neurologists or oncologists.
Oh, that's right. You love you some infectious diseases.
I think I might be one of the few that says that might not be a bad idea, but I grew up in the American South, and know that when one says "military service", one does not always mean "sent to die in a war zone" in no uncertain terms. No matter what the current times tell us right now.
Besides, you'd be a research doctor and lots of money invested into your training. You're too expensensive to send off to war without good reason.
Military research into disease, viruses, and bacteria is a HUGE thing. I know many people that served out their contract and came out just fine. It can be so interesting and you would get exposed (ha! PUN!) to things that you could never get your hands out on outside the service.
But it is really something you have to think about. Boot camp is hard. Both emotionally and physically. Some tough guys I know just couldn't take the emotional and mental control you have to give up in order to survive in the military.
My vote is keep thinking about and look into it more. And see if you could ever get a chance to talk to someone that has been through any of the programs or has retire from your area of interest.
Besides, you'd be a research doctor and lots of money invested into your training. You're too expensensive to send off to war without good reason.
Military research into disease, viruses, and bacteria is a HUGE thing. I know many people that served out their contract and came out just fine. It can be so interesting and you would get exposed (ha! PUN!) to things that you could never get your hands out on outside the service.
But it is really something you have to think about. Boot camp is hard. Both emotionally and physically. Some tough guys I know just couldn't take the emotional and mental control you have to give up in order to survive in the military.
My vote is keep thinking about and look into it more. And see if you could ever get a chance to talk to someone that has been through any of the programs or has retire from your area of interest.
Hey, I lurk a lot, so I hope you don’t mind me commenting, but I think that if Medical school is what you really want to do, then go for it. I know what it’s like to really want something and not get it right away, and even though being a medical student is tough and sometimes makes you think WTF am I doing, it still is wonderful and I’d go through the testes and the waiting and the suffering to get in all over again.
Have you ever:
If all of these hold true, and moreover you think you could survive having it happen for six weeks straight, then boot camp will be no problem for you! :D
That said, all jokes aside: America has a similar plan, except that then they take their retired/inactive military and fuck them up the ass by paying them squat. It is not good. Your plan does sound better, but research is your friend!
Also, keep in mind that you will be taking orders from people for years and expected to fill them even if it's impossible, although I mean you are planning to be a doctor so perhaps you were expecting to have that happen anyway, in which case I say go for it. *cheerful*
- Been on the first two days of your period
- Had cramps so badly that you thought you were going to puke
- (Or possibly kill someone)
- Had your Nurofen completely fail to take effect, or wear off far too soon
- Been forced to go to class, or work, or both
- Been required to be friendly and polite and show in no way that you were in pain?
If all of these hold true, and moreover you think you could survive having it happen for six weeks straight, then boot camp will be no problem for you! :D
That said, all jokes aside: America has a similar plan, except that then they take their retired/inactive military and fuck them up the ass by paying them squat. It is not good. Your plan does sound better, but research is your friend!
Also, keep in mind that you will be taking orders from people for years and expected to fill them even if it's impossible, although I mean you are planning to be a doctor so perhaps you were expecting to have that happen anyway, in which case I say go for it. *cheerful*
You are so full of sense! Thank you!
And...yes. I am going to talk to people. My father joined the army reserve as a medical specialist and had to do the basic training, and my housemate's sister is currently at the Defense Force Academy undergoing HER basic training. So.
And...yes. I am going to talk to people. My father joined the army reserve as a medical specialist and had to do the basic training, and my housemate's sister is currently at the Defense Force Academy undergoing HER basic training. So.
Oh, I definitely want to do medicine :) I'm just not sure whether or not I want to let the army pay for it and then have control of my soul.
Well, that's a no on the period pain thing, but I am very good at hiding negative emotions?
Being a doctor kind of IS trying the impossible every day, especially if you're a specialist in an odd area like infectious disease or neurology.
Being a doctor kind of IS trying the impossible every day, especially if you're a specialist in an odd area like infectious disease or neurology.
i've really thought about this too...because the experience would be worth it career-wise for me.
but some things don't make me feel right...you can't avoid the fact that there is some bullying...(and the physical fitness thing would worry me as well, esp if i felt like i wasn't as competent as the others who would be fitness freaks).
i researched this ages ago...but don't you have to already be accepted into a medical program before they even think of sponsoring you? getting into med is a hurdle in itself methinks.
but the experience would be great...esp if someone wanted to be a surgeon.
but some things don't make me feel right...you can't avoid the fact that there is some bullying...(and the physical fitness thing would worry me as well, esp if i felt like i wasn't as competent as the others who would be fitness freaks).
i researched this ages ago...but don't you have to already be accepted into a medical program before they even think of sponsoring you? getting into med is a hurdle in itself methinks.
but the experience would be great...esp if someone wanted to be a surgeon.
My first instinct is NO! But that's because I would worry about you, and I know very little about it.
Research, as everyone's been saying. See how much you would be signing away. To be honest you're going to probably be able to do more good if you get the army to pay for it than some sort of enormous corperation thing... so if it's an either/or thing, maybe it's the best plan. If you could possibly afford it, though...
I dunno. I object on principle to the idea of being owned.
Research, as everyone's been saying. See how much you would be signing away. To be honest you're going to probably be able to do more good if you get the army to pay for it than some sort of enormous corperation thing... so if it's an either/or thing, maybe it's the best plan. If you could possibly afford it, though...
I dunno. I object on principle to the idea of being owned.
Oh, yes, obviously I wouldn't apply until I was a year into a medical degree. So it does hinge on my being accepted to a med school.
In terms of years, it'd be whatever they pay for + 1. So...five or six years?
The other thing I was considering was the rural bonded scholarships, but they basically mean the government owns you and gets to move you around the countryside for six years. And. No. If I don't get big cities, I'd rather be doing something exciting.
The other thing I was considering was the rural bonded scholarships, but they basically mean the government owns you and gets to move you around the countryside for six years. And. No. If I don't get big cities, I'd rather be doing something exciting.
If it's only a year on top of schooling? It might very well be good for you. Learning experience, all that kind of thing. It's going to be hella tough, don't delude yourself about that, but it could in theory be a very positive thing.
That said?
It's not the best time for it, y'know?
Best of luck with further research.
That said?
It's not the best time for it, y'know?
Best of luck with further research.
I've done the research on the equivalent for the U.S. military (I considered Air Force and Navy systems over here). It's -- well. It can be a really, really hard thing, and the amount of time that you end up owing for your education is not necessarily the minimum depending on what you specialize in.
That said, and especially since you have an interest in infectious disease, (you and me both have an interest there, and how did I not know this before?) there are some very valuable things about it. There are some opportunities for travel and practical experience that are nearly impossible to duplicate otherwise; there are systems, there are research and technological advances, and any number of other things that might make it worthwhile-- at least in the US system. I don't know exactly how yours would translate in terms of the service environment and a number of other things.
The most important thing is to talk to people who've done it; use whatever connections you have to find out about the practicalities of military service from those who've lived it. Most especially talk to women, and talk to the medical service as well.
'Cause if it's just the opportunity to go see neat infectious diseases in remote parts of the world, then we should talk about a whole lot of OTHER opportunities to do that too. :)
That said, and especially since you have an interest in infectious disease, (you and me both have an interest there, and how did I not know this before?) there are some very valuable things about it. There are some opportunities for travel and practical experience that are nearly impossible to duplicate otherwise; there are systems, there are research and technological advances, and any number of other things that might make it worthwhile-- at least in the US system. I don't know exactly how yours would translate in terms of the service environment and a number of other things.
The most important thing is to talk to people who've done it; use whatever connections you have to find out about the practicalities of military service from those who've lived it. Most especially talk to women, and talk to the medical service as well.
'Cause if it's just the opportunity to go see neat infectious diseases in remote parts of the world, then we should talk about a whole lot of OTHER opportunities to do that too. :)
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